Comments on: Color Spaces Simplified http://www.picture-soup.com/2009/11/30/color-spaces-simplified/ Picture Soup Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:21:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: PictureSoup http://www.picture-soup.com/2009/11/30/color-spaces-simplified/#comment-47 PictureSoup Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:25:33 +0000 http://picture-soup.com/?p=854#comment-47 Ellis, As the editor, it was my choice to use the Jeff Schewe image. Having the Epson 2200/matte paper combo is out of date. Thanks for pointing out that we should be using a more up to date image. Diane Ellis,
As the editor, it was my choice to use the Jeff Schewe image. Having the Epson 2200/matte paper combo is out of date. Thanks for pointing out that we should be using a more up to date image.
Diane

]]> By: Ellis Vener http://www.picture-soup.com/2009/11/30/color-spaces-simplified/#comment-46 Ellis Vener Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:24:05 +0000 http://picture-soup.com/?p=854#comment-46 "Let’s say you are working (or shooting) in Adobe (1998) and printing onto an inkjet printer that works in sRGB." Except that most inkjet printers today have gamuts that are significantly larger than the sRGB color space. more and more reasonably price displays have gamuts that exceed sRGB as well. "Try to work as closely to the color space that you will be outputting to." This is the "dumbdown theory of color management." Which is not the same thing and in fact is antithetical to the Keep It Simple Stupid method of working. In the Jeff Schewe image you use an illustration by Jeff Schewe that is misleading in some key aspects. - Primarily it is out of date. The Epson 2200 is obsolete by at least three if not more generations out of date. Since then there have been changes in both print head and ink technologies that have surpassed the limited range of color (gamut or palette) the 220o was capable of ,even o nthe consumer level. - Even more importantly, the paper type -- matte paper -- always has a more limited range of color than a semi-gloss or gloss paper is capable of. So you are taking an out of date, worst case example to use to illustrate your point. Words mean something but pictures have meaning too. "if you are shooting images that will only be going onto a web page and will never be printed, sRGB would be the color space to work in, since that’s the color space used on the web.:" I use sRGB as a color space for photos that are only going to be reproduced o nthe web for the reason that the most widely used internet browser , Microsoft's Internet Explorer is deliberately dumbed down to sRGB. While all color spaces are artificial constructs , sRGb was created wit hone purpose only: to be able to use color in graphics like pie charts on a very bad condition CRT (picture tube technology from the late 1980s 1990's) in the worst possible viewing conditions (lots of bright light and glare. It was never intended to be used for photographic purposes. That Microsoft still insists to this day on limiting Internet Explorer to sRGB says much about how they see people using the web. But recommending sRGB as a default color space for photography? That's like having your shoe laces tied together as soon as you enter the ring. “Let’s say you are working (or shooting) in Adobe (1998) and printing onto an inkjet printer that works in sRGB.”

Except that most inkjet printers today have gamuts that are significantly larger than the sRGB color space. more and more reasonably price displays have gamuts that exceed sRGB as well.

“Try to work as closely to the color space that you will be outputting to.”

This is the “dumbdown theory of color management.” Which is not the same thing and in fact is antithetical to the Keep It Simple Stupid method of working.

In the Jeff Schewe image you use an illustration by Jeff Schewe that is misleading in some key aspects.

- Primarily it is out of date. The Epson 2200 is obsolete by at least three if not more generations out of date. Since then there have been changes in both print head and ink technologies that have surpassed the limited range of color (gamut or palette) the 220o was capable of ,even o nthe consumer level.

- Even more importantly, the paper type — matte paper — always has a more limited range of color than a semi-gloss or gloss paper is capable of.

So you are taking an out of date, worst case example to use to illustrate your point. Words mean something but pictures have meaning too.

“if you are shooting images that will only be going onto a web page and will never be printed, sRGB would be the color space to work in, since that’s the color space used on the web.:”

I use sRGB as a color space for photos that are only going to be reproduced o nthe web for the reason that the most widely used internet browser , Microsoft’s Internet Explorer is deliberately dumbed down to sRGB. While all color spaces are artificial constructs , sRGb was created wit hone purpose only: to be able to use color in graphics like pie charts on a very bad condition CRT (picture tube technology from the late 1980s 1990’s) in the worst possible viewing conditions (lots of bright light and glare. It was never intended to be used for photographic purposes. That Microsoft still insists to this day on limiting Internet Explorer to sRGB says much about how they see people using the web.

But recommending sRGB as a default color space for photography? That’s like having your shoe laces tied together as soon as you enter the ring.

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